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            RESOLVED that the minutes of the meeting of  the Licensing Committee which was open to the press and public held on 19 January 2012 be confirmed and signed.



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Councillor Bonavia declared a personal and prejudicial interest in Blackheath Live Site. He said that he had made a public statement of his views on this event and that precluded him from taking part in discussion of this item.



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3.1      The Chair welcomed all parties to the meeting and introductions were made. She  explained the procedures to be followed at the meeting and then invited the Licensing Officer to speak.


            Licensing Officer


3.2      The Licensing Officer said that this was a new application for a time limited premises licence for part of a wider event taking place throughout the Olympic period on Blackheath. The application is for regulated entertainment and the sale of alcohol from 27 July until 12 August 2012 during the times specified in the application. It is for this year only.


3.3      The Licensing Officer said that although the event plan details the event as a whole, the only part that is of concern to this committee was the area designated as zone two in the plan which is on part of the heath that officers were reliably informed is called washerwoman’s bottom. Members could not consider the other two zones or the big screen located on the site.


3.4      The Licensing Officer drew members attention to one resident’s objection; no responsible authorities had made a representation although Sgt Abbott was in attendance in partnership capacity to answer any questions.


3.5      There had a been a question raised as to the validity of the application because of the mention of church field and not washerwoman’s bottom. Officers had considered this but had accepted the application for the following reasons:


i           Officers considered the reference on the application to church field as more of a description than a formal title to that section of the heath, it was accompanied by both the names of the roads bordering the site and a plan included with the original application. The blue notice bordered the appropriate area. This along with the fact that there is no specific sign posting of the name of each section on the heath and no concern was raised at point of application by either Blackheath Groups or Planning Officers, she did not believe that the name washerwoman’s bottom is well known and in any event the application detail and advertising was adequate and did not prejudice any party.


ii          If the view is still that this is not a valid application it must be taken up as a matter for judicial review and should not be a matter for this committee.


3.6      Members were advised  that although Blackheath Village itself is in a Cumulative Impact Zone, the Heath is not and as such this application does not fall within its scope.




3.7      Ms Wilds, representing the company Continental Drifts who were the applicants, said that the company had been running major events for seventeen years. They had been involved in Lewisham People’s Day and the fireworks on Blackheath as well as working on events at Buckingham Palace and they would be involved with the events for the Queen’s Golden Jubilee.


3.8      Ms Blake introduced herself as the Council Events Manager. She said that she would be managing the contract working closely with Continental drifts.  ...  view the full minutes text for item 12.


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4.1      The Chair welcomed all parties to the meeting and introductions were made. She  explained the procedures to be followed at the meeting and then asked the Licensing Officer to speak.


            Licensing Officer


4.2      The Licensing Officer said that this was a new application for alcohol off sales only 0800 to 2200 Monday to Sunday. The application had been made by a premises which falls within the Cumulative Impact Zone (CIZ) within Lewisham’s Licensing Policy, namely the New Cross Corridor.


4.3      13.24 of the guidance states that ‘the cumulative impact of licensed premises on the promotion of the licensing objectives is a proper matter for a licensing authority to consider in developing its licensing policy statement’ 13.29 of the guidance clarifies exactly what effect the policy has, it states  ‘The effect of adopting a special policy of this kind is to create a rebuttable presumption that applications for new premises licences or variations that are likely to add to the existing cumulative impact will normally be refused, following relevant representations, unless the applicant can demonstrate in their operating schedule that there will be no negative cumulative impact on one or more of the licensing objectives’


4.4      The Cumulative Impact Policy (CIP) has been accepted and adopted by full Council and the evidence base or questions about the need for the zone is not a matter for this committee and all the evidence provided by the police for this zone is fully accepted. The Licensing Officer advised members that they  must focus only on whether they consider that the applicant has adequately evidenced how he will ensure that the activity applied for will not have any negative impact on the area within the zone She advised members that a similar application was made by a different applicant for these premises in February 2010 and the application was refused on those grounds.


4.5      There has been a question raised by the applicant’s agent regarding the inclusion of the petition with the papers. It is right that officers would normally expect each sheet to carry the basic grounds and reference to the specific premises but as this one refers to the CIP and the issues in the vicinity with no legal need to be premises specific, it had been included as relevant by officers, obviously if members were of a different view then they were free to disregard it.


4.6      The Chair then invited the applicant’s licensing agent to speak.




4.7      Ms Silvester said that the petition was not relevant to the licensing objectives. The Licensing Officer said that it was relevant because it refers to the CIP.


4.8      Ms Silvester said that the petition was in alphabetical order and it was clear that Ms Ellison had gone door to door, therefore, it would be more difficult for a resident to refuse to sign. She said that the landlord said that the objector, Ms Ellison had wanted the premises for a childcare centre and that was why she was objecting to  ...  view the full minutes text for item 13.